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Robert Lazar/Billy Goodman, KVEG-AM Radio 840
Based on its original three-hour, 11/21/89 broadcast, the
following is KVEG's one-hour version, played at midnight 12/31/89
and at midnight
12/7/90:
Goodman:
You came on the CBS affiliate here in Las Vegas, Channel 8,
saying there are flying saucers not too far from here. I don't
want to say Area 51, right?
Lazar:
Right. It's Area S-4. A lot of people get that confused. It's
about 10 miles south of Area 51, of Groom Lake, which is Area 51.
Goodman:
When people try to get down that dirt road, they get stopped by
cars and everything. What are they protecting there?
Lazar:
Oh, Groom Lake -- that's Area 51.
A lot of projects are going on at Groom Lake -- Area 51:
Aurora -- a high-altitude, reconnaissance aircraft designed to
replace the SR-71, some Star Wars research --
But there aren't and never has been any flying saucers at Area 51
at Groom Lake.
Goodman:
You have been at Area 51, so you can say that unequivocally,
right?
Lazar:
Oh yeah.
Goodman:
Did you spend most of your time at S-4?
Lazar:
Groom Lake/Area 51 has a runway there, so if you want to go out
to that part of the Test Site, you fly in and land at Groom Lake
and then you take a bus south to Area S-4.
Goodman:
Have you actually landed on that airstrip at Groom Lake?
Lazar:
Yeah, every time I went out there I HAD to land there.
Goodman:
How often would you go out there?
Lazar:
It wasn't on a regular basis. They called me up and said, well,
Thursday by 4:45, be at such and such a place and get on this
plane, and, you know, you'll be out there. I hadn't worked into
a regular schedule yet.
Goodman:
You're sitting at home and they say, you will be at a certain
place at a certain time, or you will arrive there? How do you
make sure you can make connections to get there at 4:45? Do they
take care of all that for you too?
Lazar:
No, I just have to show up there. If I can't make it, I just
have to tell them or call them with sufficient notice.
Goodman:
But they want you there for a specific reason because --
Lazar:
-- well, to get on a specific flight.
Goodman:
And they want you there at Groom Lake so you can get to S-4.
Lazar:
Right.
Goodman:
When you get there, what are they usually looking for you to do?
Lazar:
That varied. Mainly educating me, catching me up to where
everyone else was.
Goodman:
Grooming you.
Lazar:
Yeah.
Goodman:
And what were they grooming you for, Bob?
Lazar:
I dealt with mainly the propulsion of the extraterrestrial craft.
There was a lot of material to read, a lot of briefings, a lot of
research that had been done for quite some time that I had to
catch up on before I could really get into it myself. So most of
the time I spent reading and going over some things.
There was some hands-on experience with some of the equipment
from the discs and things of that sort.
Goodman:
Let's bring you back to the beginning. You're a young man, let's
face it, you're a young man. What was your first reaction the
first time you knew for a fact that we had flying saucers in our
possession? You saw them with your own eyes. What was your
first reaction to this?
Lazar:
Oh, it was exciting! What else can you say? It was really neat.
The first time I saw it and I walked in and actually saw the
disc, of course I couldn't say whether or not it was an alien
device or just an interesting craft that we've been developing.
So it was a little while before I had ascertained that it was an
extraterrestrial craft.
Goodman:
Did they ever explain to you how it got there?
Lazar:
No, that I was never told. But they just took things very
slowly. First I was exposed to the craft, and then I began to
read the briefings. And they were monitoring me through the
whole time, so they let me take things one step at a time, as
they do for everyone that works there.
Goodman:
You got to be honest with me. Here you are a young man. You
left there and you went home to the wife, to your neighborhood,
sitting around having a cup of coffee. Did you ever say, hey
man, you won't believe this, there are flying saucers!
Lazar:
Oh, I stuck with "the program" for a little while.
Goodman:
Well, what was "the program": Don't tell anybody?
Lazar:
Oh, most certainly.
Goodman:
Being inquisitive, I'm sure, as a young man, did you ever say,
why is it that we can't tell anybody?
Lazar:
No, because being involved with many other classified projects at
the other labs that I worked with, you don't ask that. You just
assume that they know what they're doing. You're privileged to
be in that project, so --
Goodman:
So you just felt honored being there.
Lazar:
Exactly.
Goodman:
And you'd get home and sit there with the wife at the dinner
table and not even talk about it?
Lazar:
Well, that didn't last for too long.
Goodman:
I can imagine, I mean: "How was your day today, dear? Anything
exciting happen?" What would you say?
Lazar:
Not a whole lot. It caused a lot of friction, a tremendous
amount.
Goodman:
Because you couldn't speak up -- you couldn't talk about what was
going on.
Lazar:
Right.
Goodman:
Is your title "scientist"?
Lazar:
Physicist, but scientist is a good all-around description.
Goodman:
As far as you're concerned, there is no extraterrestrial activity
up at Area 51 or Groom Lake. Has that always been the case?
Because I heard, and I also read government papers -- maybe they
lied -- but they said that Area 51 was the area where the U-2
came out of.
Lazar:
That's where the U-2 came out of, where the SR-71 came out of.
Lots of things came out of there.
Maybe a disk went THROUGH there. But they're just not stored and
developed/worked on there. Sure, one may have rolled by there
and someone may have -- There have been lots of reports of people
at Area 51 who have said, at one time I saw a disk in a hangar.
That may have happened, but it wasn't there permanently.
Goodman:
We took a group of people up there, about 200. And I was up
there with them. I sat in the desert and I watched.
And here's how I could describe it. Picture the 29-1/2-mile
Marker, and we're leaking out at these peaks. All of a sudden
over the peak something comes up. It appears over the peak.
It's just a light. And you watch this light and you see it doing
ZIGZAGS!
Something's happened out there! Planes that we have that do
those kind of maneuvers?
Lazar:
Well, without seeing it, I can't say. But I know when the tests
are.
Zelly:
I watched you on the Channel 8 program, and my dog was barking
when you were explaining the gravity theory.
These craft don't use any type of gasoline, is that right?
Lazar:
Any type of GASOLINE?
Zelly:
Yeah.
Lazar:
No, they don't.
Zelly:
Okay, how do they get from A to B?
Lazar:
They bend space and time, using gravity.
Zelly:
Can you explain that to a layman like me in as simple terms as
possible?
Lazar:
I can give a fairly accurate description. I haven't given this
before, but I think this is the best one.
The crafts have t